Comments on: Sun Isn’t Relevant to Startups

By: tecosystems » The Oracle Predicts a Setting Sun

tecosystems » The Oracle Predicts a Setting Sun — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:31:03 +0000

[...] remained tragically antiquated. The consistent complaint we’ve heard from potential smaller customers (including RedMonk) for years has been the same: we can’t buy from Sun. Even today, in spite [...]

By: tecosystems » What Would SOG Do?: Views on Sun

tecosystems » What Would SOG Do?: Views on Sun — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:52:43 +0000

[...] – a goal that I applaud, incidentally – its execution on this aim has been, frankly, less than impressive. Startup Essentials has made progress in this area – they stopped calling me, at least – and [...]

By: mere funde » Blog Archive » My Bad!

mere funde » Blog Archive » My Bad! — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:03:14 +0000

[...] only other example I can recall is of Johnathan Schwartz when he apologized publicly on his blog to Matt Mullenweg (the brilliant WordPress [...]

By: Leo

Leo — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:23:57 +0000

I just found out yesterday that the Storagetek (now Sun) disk array I purchased in the not so distant past is not supported any more .. I can’t get drive trays, I can’t get drives…forget it. Sun’s only solution is to replace the equipment we paid in the 5 digits for with gear that will cost even more. I just about lost it…talk about how NOT to look out for the little guy.

By: My Bad! « mere funde

My Bad! « mere funde — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:57:31 +0000

[...] only other example I can recall is of Johnathan Schwartz when he apologized publicly on his blog to Matt Mullenweg (the brilliant WordPress guys). Filed under: Corporate Blogging [...]

By: » Dangerous Goods - Entropic Memes

» Dangerous Goods - Entropic Memes — Thu, 10 May 2007 17:08:28 +0000

[...] Photo Matt recently wrote about SUN, amazed at how difficult so many companies make it to give them your hard-earned money. While I’m sure staggering stupidity isn’t a FedEx corporate policy, it boggles the mind how unhelpful people in so-called “customer service” positions can be, in this ridiculous post-9/11 world. [...]

By: tinkertim

tinkertim — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:50:00 +0000

I think ‘if you build it they will come’ still holds true to web 2.0 or classic .com start ups. I think Sun is taking a model of a razor they use to determine what in open source gets their money and trying to apply it here wondering why it won’t work.

Sun has great products, but start up .coms are looking only to avoid being victims of their own success. The biggest reason this happens is due to your hosting platform not being able to scale and adapt cheaply.

Since you aren’t going to really start monetizing until the end of the first year, cashflow is king and Linux is cheap. Sun can’t help this effort beyond Open Solaris without shooting themselves in the foot.

The first ingredient for making things work is a good plan. Looks like Sun forgot that entirely and started with the cart before the horse.

By: The Silence from an Open Sun « Ian Skerrett

The Silence from an Open Sun « Ian Skerrett — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:35:55 +0000

[...] has a blog and a lot of them have some great content. For instance, when the founder of WordPress slammed Sun for their support of start-up companies, Jonathan responded quickly. Not many other large software [...]

By: tecosystems » Sun Analyst Event: Starting Up with Startups

tecosystems » Sun Analyst Event: Starting Up with Startups — Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:46:35 +0000

[...] theme was actually well in evidence before the show began, as evidenced by posts such as this one. Or maybe even earlier than that, with programs like this one. Or maybe even earlier [...]

By: SmugBlog: Don MacAskill » Blog Archive » Server Analysis - Sun victory!

Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:02:46 +0000

[...] pushing hard (with some bumps along the way) to give love to [...]

By: Denken Ãœber » Los CEOs hablan

Denken Ãœber » Los CEOs hablan — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:33:45 +0000

[...] al margen (y esto es de hace unos dÃas), Jonathan Schwartz se disculpa con Matt Mullenberg por la forma en la que SUN se acerca a los Startups en USA. Un comentario por ahÃ dice que “Un CEO que bloguee es raro. Un CEO que admita pÃºblicamente [...]

By: James Governor’s Monkchips » Online RFP: Spanning opportunity for Sun (or HP or IBM)

Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:38:38 +0000

[...] talk to Sun yesterday about its Startup Essentials program, which recently got a friendly ding from Matt Mullenweg, and a mea culpa from Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz. I parsed the online conversation as a new kind of [...]

By: Texas Startup Blog: Web 2.0 and Social Media » Blog Archive » Sun: Quick on the draw to engage!

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:22:53 +0000

[...] Matt and I wrote posts somewhat critical of Sun a few days ago. Since then the folks at Sun gave me a call and offered to resolve the issue. They also asked me how they might address the small business and startup space more effectively. Matt followed up with a post here and explains, Where does that leave Automattic now? We just brought 20 new HP/Debian boxes online. David Comay followed up his comment with an email requesting to get together, and since he’s a kernel hacker and not a sales guy I’m very open to that. Likewise with Jeff Barr from Amazon, though their web services are so beautifully self-service I wonder what we’ll chat about. Another chance for Sun? Time will tell. For us it’s a pragmatic issue, not a religious one. If nothing else, I’m hopeful that the discussions spawned will help put Sun’s nascent startup efforts back on track. [...]

By: SmugBlog: Don MacAskill » Blog Archive » Server Vendor Analysis So Far

SmugBlog: Don MacAskill » Blog Archive » Server Vendor Analysis So Far — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:15:59 +0000

[...] they’ll have their business forever. I happen to think this is a very good strategy. There have been some hiccups, as Matt Mullenweg points out, but Jonathan Schwartz responded in a way that I wish every CEO [...]

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:56:35 +0000

The CEO of SUN gives a shout-out on his personal blog to you and you still haven’t responded.

What gives?

By: Simon

Simon — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:19:47 +0000

To digress on a parallel path, I’d think that it would take time for Jonathan Schwartz to steer the sunny ship in the right direction, but guys, let’s give a round of applause to a big old skool gorilla (Sun) for trying to breakdance to hip hop or rock to . I mean, I’d like to, by comparison and for illustration’s sake, see Steve Ballmer & co. blog openly like Schwartz, release the Windows kernel under an OSI license and GPL2 C#2.0. Try getting the same response from HP or IBM. Open source HPUX or AIX or OS/2? Fergettaboutit! Give them time guys. Sun is fuelling innovation – both technically and in the corporate politics space.

By: tecosystems » Should Sun Mind - or Outsource - the Store?

tecosystems » Should Sun Mind - or Outsource - the Store? — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:58:28 +0000

[...] Matt says says that Sun isn’t relevant to startups, citing issues with the recently launched Startup [...]

By: Speaker City » links for 2007-01-21

Speaker City » links for 2007-01-21 — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:10:29 +0000

[...] Photo Matt Â» Sun Isn’t Relevant to Startups (tags: sun work) [...]

By: Tim

Tim — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:31:02 +0000

I’m excited to hear your response to the CEO. Very cool

By: .:: a few thoughts on the subject by rob wright ::. » Sun and Intel Play Nice

Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:49:38 +0000

[...] what does it cost and can you really get help from Sun? The word from the mavens (Joyent, matt mullenweg) is [...]

By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:18:25 +0000

Onno,

You don’t have to use ZFS and Zones to use Solaris 10. If you want proven filesystem technology, UFS is a very, very stable filesystem. And Solaris 10 running with a single, Global Zone (i.e., the default) is exactly like every other UNIX OS namespace structure. The point is, you can use Solaris 10 the same way as Solaris 9, or Linux, without Solaris 10′s advanced features, and adopt the advanced features when needed.

Solaris 10 was released in February 2005, the same month as RHEL 4. Public early access to Solaris 10, via Solaris Express, occurred a few weeks after the official release of the Linux 2.6 kernel. Solaris 10 is just as proven as RHEL 4, and Solaris 10 kernel is just as proven as the Linux 2.6 kernel.

Solaris’ development approach drives compatibility and stability first, at the cost of speed of feature add.

Perhaps Sun marketing is pushing the advanced features of Solaris 10, but certainly Red Hat does the same with those features which differentiate RHEL, Novell does the same with SLES, etc.

There are good reasons for not using Solaris 10. Compatibility with new hardware and speed of feature add are two of them. Feature overshoot may be another (do I really need a 128-bit filesystem?). Certainly the lack of tools like apt-get and Red Carpet is a big factor. But lack of being proven is not one of them.

Oh, and all of the complaints about Sun’s support of small customers is fair. The company is just not structured to do that. And because of that, pursuing all startups simultaneously is not a good marketing strategy for Sun.

By: iTablet.mobi » Calling Jonathan Schwartzâ€¦

iTablet.mobi » Calling Jonathan Schwartzâ€¦ — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:06:25 +0000

[...] Matt Mullenweg (the guy who started Automattic, which produces WordPress, which runs this blog and m… that Sun Microsystems isn’t there for startups. [...]

By: Here Comes The Sun… « FranÃ§ois Schiettecatte’s Blog

Here Comes The Sun… « FranÃ§ois Schiettecatte’s Blog — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:01:51 +0000

[...] Filed under: Feedster — FranÃ§ois Schiettecatte @ 9:06 am I read Matt Mullenweg’s post about his dealings with Sun, after just watching the same Scoble Show interview with Jonathan [...]

By: Texas Startup Blog: Web 2.0 and Social Media » Blog Archive » Sun Apologizes . . .

Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:37:35 +0000

[...] I wrote titled, "Eclipse at Sun." Turns out Jonathan, the CEO of Sun, apologized to Matt in his own blog on Friday in a post titled, "Courage is Relative." (Originally titled [...]

By: Importance of negative blogging « Rohit Aggarwal

Importance of negative blogging « Rohit Aggarwal — Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:39:46 +0000

[...] before you send me the email, yes, I saw the entry written by Matt Mullenweg – and all I can say is… I’m really sorry, Matt. That’s not the way Startup [...]